Best Wing Players in the NBA by the Numbers
- By: The Professor
- On: 2/28/2011 7:53:00 AM
- View Comments : 8
Related: The Professor Atlanta Hawks Boston Celtics Chicago Bulls Charlotte Bobcats Dallas Mavericks Golden State Warriors Houston Rockets Indiana Pacers Los Angeles Clippers Los Angeles Lakers Memphis Grizzlies Miami Heat Minnesota Timberwolves New York Knicks Oklahoma City Thunder Orlando Magic Philadelphia 76ers Phoenix Suns Sacramento Kings San Antonio Spurs Utah Jazz NBA
So, now I'm back to do the same thing with the elite wings in the NBA. I expanded a bit (last time 10 wasn't enough candidates...it left notable snubs like Chauncey Billups), so I'll be looking at 27 of the top shooting guards and small forwards in the NBA. For the sake of space I'll show only the top-15 for each individual stat, but for the rank-order table at the bottom I'll put all 27 in there. Without further ado...
PER: Hollinger's stat, probably the most popular of the "advanced stats", favorable (compared to other advanced stats) to volume scorers and players that generate a lot of free throws; Generally ranks those considered "great" by the general public well, though also will tend to have role players with good scoring-per-minute very highly.
| PER | |
| LeBron James | 26.6 |
| Dwyane Wade | 25.2 |
| Kobe Bryant | 24.3 |
| Kevin Durant | 24.17 |
| Kevin Martin | 22.37 |
| Manu Ginobili | 21.61 |
| Carmelo Anthony | 21.38 |
| Eric Gordon | 21.12 |
| Paul Pierce | 19.53 |
| Monta Ellis | 18.98 |
| Rudy Gay | 17.96 |
| Joe Johnson | 17.94 |
| Danny Granger | 17.8 |
| Andre Iguodala | 17.68 |
| Ray Allen | 17.29 |
Win Shares: From Basketball-reference.com, emphasizes shooting/scoring efficiency; loves points per shot (thus values FTs drawn). To account for different minutes played, we're going to look at Win Shares per 48 minutes played.
| WS48 | |
| LeBron James | 0.232 |
| Dwyane Wade | 0.214 |
| Paul Pierce | 0.203 |
| Manu Ginobili | 0.2 |
| Kobe Bryant | 0.187 |
| Kevin Durant | 0.185 |
| Kevin Martin | 0.181 |
| Ray Allen | 0.177 |
| Eric Gordon | 0.157 |
| Andre Iguodala | 0.142 |
| Luol Deng | 0.139 |
| Richard Jefferson | 0.131 |
| Jason Richardson | 0.127 |
| Rudy Gay | 0.124 |
| Danny Granger | 0.122 |
Wins Produced: Dave Berri's controversial stat (most likely to be trashed on an APBRmetric board) is also the one seemingly growing fastest in popular usage; wins produced values what he defines as possessions, so loves rebounds, steals, and blocks and doesn't like TOs; doesn't value shot creation, but does value assists. We'll look at Wins Produced per 48 minutes.
| WP48 | |
| LeBron James | 0.347 |
| Dwyane Wade | 0.299 |
| Landry Fields | 0.285 |
| Andre Iguodala | 0.257 |
| Manu Ginobili | 0.237 |
| Kevin Durant | 0.223 |
| Paul Pierce | 0.218 |
| Kobe Bryant | 0.206 |
| Ray Allen | 0.193 |
| Andrei Kirilenko | 0.186 |
| Rudy Gay | 0.158 |
| Carmelo Anthony | 0.143 |
| Eric Gordon | 0.142 |
| Kevin Martin | 0.139 |
| Gerald Wallace | 0.128 |
Roland Rating: 82games.com's Roland Rating is based upon a combination of PER and +/- stats. It looks at the individual PER of each player, the PER of their primary defensive assignment, and subtracts the 2 for a 1-on-1 value then they combine that 1-on-1 value with a team-impact based on-court/off-court +/- stat to get the rating. Tends to produce fewest "what???" rankings, because players that rank out highly in both the 1-on-1 and team stats are almost universally who we consider to be among the best in the game...though the order at the top isn't always what you'd expect. (Note: 82games hasn't updated this since Jan. 19, so these results are only current to that date)
| Roland Rating | |
| LeBron James | 15.2 |
| Manu Ginobili | 12.6 |
| Dwyane Wade |
11.6 |
| Paul Pierce |
11.3 |
| Rudy Gay |
9.6 |
| Kevin Durant | 9.4 |
| Kobe Bryant | 8.9 |
| Eric Gordon | 8.2 |
| Carmelo Anthony | 7.9 |
| Joe Johnson | 7.9 |
| Ray Allen | 6.9 |
| Kevin Martin | 6.6 |
| Andre Iguodala | 5.1 |
| Landry Fields | 4.8 |
| Danny Granger | 4.3 |
2-year Adjusted +/-: This is Basketballvalue.com's APM calculation. As I mentioned above APM is so incredibly noisy that a single year (or less) doesn't give conclusive answers (and too often the answers are nonsensical for my tastes). Even 2 years may be too short for an APM calculation. I like longer APM calculations, 4 years or more, to really clean up the noise and give a robust effect. Nevertheless, we're talking about this year so we'll have to make due on both issues with the 2-year compromise.
| 2 yr APM | 2 yr APM SE | |
| LeBron James | 15.05 | 2.71 |
| Kevin Durant | 12.38 | 3.9 |
| Dwyane Wade | 11.01 | 3.27 |
| Luol Deng | 7.6 | 3.62 |
| Gerald Wallace | 6.98 | 3.33 |
| Landry Fields | 6.87 | 4.33 |
| Paul Pierce | 4.91 | 3.44 |
| Manu Ginobili | 4.83 | 2.92 |
| Vince Carter | 4.8 | 3.27 |
| Carmelo Anthony | 4.63 | 3.11 |
| Ray Allen | 4.17 | 3.54 |
| Danny Granger | 3.34 | 3.02 |
| Kobe Bryant | 2.86 | 3.7 |
| Ron Artest | 2.83 | 3.26 |
| Rudy Gay | 2.77 | 3.72 |
Overall Rank orders: Giving each of our 27 guys a '1' through '27' ranking based on where they ranked in each stat, here is a summary of how each guy did. I'll add an average across the 5 stats (with standard error) to give us a seat-of-the-pants-advanced-stat-cross-section-view ranking order:
| PER | WS48 | WP48 | Roland Rating | 2 yr APM | Average | Std. Error | ||
| LeBron James | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0.00 | |
| Dwyane Wade | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 2.4 | 0.24 | |
| Kevin Durant | 4 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 2 | 4.8 | 0.80 | |
| Manu Ginobili | 6 | 4 | 5 | 2 | 8 | 5 | 1.00 | |
| Paul Pierce | 9 | 3 | 7 | 4 | 7 | 6 | 1.10 | |
| Kobe Bryant | 3 | 5 | 8 | 7 | 13 | 7.2 | 1.69 | |
| Ray Allen | 15 | 8 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 10.8 | 1.20 | |
| Eric Gordon | 8 | 9 | 13 | 8 | 16 | 10.8 | 1.59 | |
| Carmelo Anthony | 7 | 17 | 12 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 1.70 | |
| Rudy Gay | 11 | 14 | 11 | 5 | 15 | 11.2 | 1.74 | |
| Kevin Martin | 5 | 7 | 14 | 12 | 26 | 12.8 | 3.68 | |
| Andre Iguodala | 14 | 10 | 4 | 13 | 23 | 12.8 | 3.09 | |
| Landry Fields | 25 | 18 | 3 | 14 | 6 | 13.2 | 3.99 | |
| Luol Deng | 20 | 11 | 17 | 19 | 4 | 14.2 | 2.99 | |
| Joe Johnson | 12 | 19 | 16 | 10 | 17 | 14.8 | 1.66 | |
| Danny Granger | 13 | 15 | 23 | 15 | 12 | 15.6 | 1.94 | |
| Andrei Kirilenko | 16 | 16 | 10 | 17 | 19 | 15.6 | 1.50 | |
| Gerald Wallace | 21 | 21 | 15 | 18 | 5 | 16 | 2.97 | |
| Vince Carter | 23 | 20 | 20 | 16 | 9 | 17.6 | 2.42 | |
| Jason Richardson | 18 | 13 | 18 | 22 | 20 | 18.2 | 1.50 | |
| Richard Jefferson | 26 | 12 | 19 | 21 | 21 | 19.8 | 2.27 | |
| Monta Ellis | 10 | 22 | 21 | 20 | 27 | 20 | 2.77 | |
| Jason Terry | 19 | 23 | 26 | 23 | 18 | 21.8 | 1.46 | |
| Ron Artest | 27 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 14 | 23.2 | 2.35 | |
| Michael Beasley | 17 | 26 | 27 | 25 | 24 | 23.8 | 1.77 | |
| Stephen Jackson | 22 | 25 | 24 | 27 | 22 | 24 | 0.95 | |
| Tyreke Evans | 24 | 27 | 22 | 24 | 25 | 24.4 | 0.81 |
Conclusions:
Every stat, no matter how it was measured, agreed that LeBron James has been the best wing in the NBA this year. In fact, LeBron and Dwyane Wade measured out 1-2 overall among wings across the body of stats examined here.
Behind the Miami boys is a group of 4 guys on the next tier: Durant, Ginobili, Pierce and Kobe. While Kobe and Durant are super-duper stars, it's interesting that Ginobili and Pierce measured right there with them this year.
Ray Allen is right behind Kobe, and highlights the next Tier that features eight guys (down to Luol Deng on the list). This tier is an interesting mix of big names and guys that may be having a bigger impact than their names would suggest. New Knick Carmelo Anthony is on this tier with Ray, along with several young scorers (Gay, Gordon, Martin) and a couple of more versatile glue/defensive type players (Iguodala, Deng and Fields).
I'm not going to spend much time with the rest, though it is interesting that guys like Joe Johnson and Monta Ellis are maybe further down the list than you might expect. The take-away for me is that while Miami (obviously) is built around 2 super-wings, the Celtics (and I guess, now, the Knicks) are the only other teams with two wings from among the top 3 tiers.

reddit
Comments
On: 2/28/2011 11:55:00 AM
Thanks, Dre. Had a lot of fun looking through this.
On: 2/28/2011 12:24:00 PM
On: 3/1/2011 6:26:00 AM
Then, you get to guys where there might be some disagreement. Maybe they're more specialized, or more of a role player. You can see how different stats measure those players differently.
For example, Kevin Martin does great at the efficiency/scoring-based box score stats (makes sense, as he makes a lot of FTs and 3s) but he absolutely blows at the impact +/- stats. Could be an indication that scoring efficiency alone isn't a be-all/end-all and that maybe the other aspects of his game aren't enough. Or, it could be an indication that a team isn't using him right. Requires more interpretation, but to me you start from a better information base.
Meanwhile, someone like Luol Deng looked pretty average in the box score stats but his +/- impact was huge. This tends to make me think that things like his 1-on-1 defense, for example, could be impacting games without showing up in the box scores. Or that the Bulls are relying on some aspect of his presence for their team to work properly, making him more important than his traditional stats might be showing.
On: 3/1/2011 6:31:00 AM
On: 6/10/2011 1:29:00 AM
swarovski crystal
swarovski outlet
swarovski uk£?swarovski store
shop swarovski
buy swarovski
Swarovski Bracelets
Swarovski Bangles
Swarovski Crystals Bracelets
Swarovski Earrings
Swarovski Crystal Earrings
Swarovski Clip Earrings
Swarovski Earrings Sale
Swarovski Earrings On Sale
Swarovski Necklaces
Swarovski Crystal Necklaces
Swarovski Colliers
Swarovski Pendant Necklaces
Swarovski Earrings
Swarovski Crystal Earrings
Swarovski Clip Earrings
Air Max Schoenen
Nike Air Griffey Max
Nike Air Structure Triax 91
Nike Air Max2010
Men's Nike Air Max 2010
Women's Nike Air Max 2010
Nike Air Max 24/7
Men's Nike Air Max 24/7
Women's Nike Air Max 24/7
Nike Air Max 2009
Limited Edition Air Collection
Men's Nike Air Max 2009
Women's Nike Air Max 2009
Nike Air Max 2012
Air Max
Men's Nike Air Max 2012
Women's Nike Air Max 2012
Nike Air Max 90 Boot
Nike Air Max 2003
Men's Nike Air Max 2003
Women's Nike Air Max 2003
Air Max Winkel
Nike Air Max 360
Nike Air Max 180
Men's Nike Air Max 180
Women's Nike Air Max 180
Nike Air Max 97
Men's Nike Air Max 97
Women's Nike Air Max 97
Nike Air Max 95
Men's Nike Air Max 95
Nike Air Max Winkel
Women's Nike Air Max 95
Nike Air Max 93
Men's Nike Air Max 93
Women's Nike Air Max 93
Nike Air Max 92
Nike Air Max 91
Men's Nike Air Max 91
Women's Nike Air Max 91
Nike Air Max 90
Men's Nike Air Max 90
Women's Nike Air Max 90
Children Nike Air Max 90
Nike Air Max LTD
Men's Nike Air Max LTD
Men's Nike Air Max LTD II
Women's Nike Air Max LTD
Nike Air Max TN
Men's Nike Air Max TN
Women's Nike Air Max TN
Men's Nike Air Max BW
Nike Air Max Classic BW
Women's Nike Air Max BW
Children Nike Air Max BW
Nike Air Max Skyline
Men's Air Max Skyline
Women's Air Max Skyline
Nike ACG Air Max Foamdome
Nike Air Max
Nike Air Max 2009 Leather SI
Men's 2009 Leather SI
Women's 2009 Leather SI
Nike Air Max Lebron VII
Wholesale Designer Handbags
Wholesale Handbags
Wholesale Coach Handbags
Wholesale LV Handbags
Wholesale Gucci Handbags
Wholesale Chanel Handbags
Wholesale Prada Handbags
Wholesale Burberry Handbags
Wholesale Chloe Handbags
Wholesale Christian Audigier Handbags
Wholesale D&G Handbags
Wholesale Dior Handbags
Wholesale ED Hardy Handbags
Wholesale Fendi Handbags
Wholesale Guess Handbags
Wholesale Juicy Handbags
Wholesale Polo Handbags
Wholesale Versace Handbags
Wholesale Wallets
Wholesale Coach Wallets
Wholesale LV Wallets
Wholesale Gucci Wallets
Wholesale Chanel Wallets
Wholesale Burberry Wallets
Wholesale juicy Wallets
Wholesale Sunglasses
Wholesale LV Sunglasses
Wholesale Gucci Sunglasses
Wholesale Chanel Sunglasses
Wholesale Prada Sunglasses
Wholesale D&G Sunglasses
Wholesale Dior Sunglasses
Wholesale ED Hardy Sunglasses
Wholesale Ferrari Sunglasses
Wholesale Oakley Sunglasses
Wholesale Ray.Ban Sunglasses
Wholesale Versace Sunglasses
Nicklas Backstrom Jersey
Alex Ovechkin Jersey
Ladainian Tomlinson Jersey
Mark Sanchez Jersey
Aaron Rodgers Jersey
Aaron Rodgers Jersey
Charles Woodson Jersey
Clay Matthews Jersey
Reggie White Jersey
Leave a comment
Commenting is restricted to registered users only. Please register or login now to submit a comment.